Meanwhile, back in the real world…

Posted: May 17, 2014 by watsonthethird in Climate Change, Current Events, Rubio-Land, The Real World
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So while conservatives compete with each other to see who can be Dumb & Dumber when it comes to climate change, the rest of us have to deal with reality.

Clear skies above but water below, a woman on a moped navigates a flooded street corner on Miami Beach, an all-too-familiar sign for residents of this iconic peninsula where the ocean seems more likely than ever to swamp Ocean Drive one day.

If there’s an image that starkly illustrates the threats of climate change, it’s this photograph, which was included in the recent National Climate Assessment released by the White House. It is noteworthy because the flood is from exceptionally high spring tides – not heavy rains. Tidal flooding like that is relatively new. And scary. “People in Miami Beach are living climate change,” said David Nolan, a meteorology and physical oceanography professor at the University of Miami. “They’re on the frontline.”

The people of Miami Beach didn’t need the National Climate Assessment to tell them low-lying south Florida is “exceptionally vulnerable to sea level rise”. The city is already spending $206m to overhaul its drainage system.

The day after the White House released its climate change report, Miami-Dade County’s commission passed a 6 May resolution that calls on planners to account for sea level rise. Local officials across the four counties of south Florida are making similar moves. Almost anyone who lives in south Florida has a nagging fear about climate change. It’s both abstract and, at times, very real.

Meanwhile, Jonathan Chait writes about President Obama’s dilemma when it comes to the new Environmental Protection Agency rules he will announce in a few weeks regulating carbon emissions.

The best way to think of the dilemma is keeping in mind the three things Obama wants his regulations to accomplish: He wants them to effectively reduce carbon pollution, he wants them not to cost consumers too much, and he wants to be sure they can survive legal challenge. The trouble is that he can only pick two of these. And the primary question weighing on administration regulators as they make their decision will be how to read the mind of Anthony Kennedy.

No matter what he decides, conservatives will scream and shout in protest, in part because their overarching strategy is to oppose any Obama initiative and deny him any accomplishments. It’s a helluva way to run a government.

  1. 02casper says:

    To be a conservative these days you have to believe several things:

    That the actions of 7 Billion Humans have no effect on our planet.
    That 97% of the scientists that study climate are either wrong or on the take.
    That the only reason Liberals want to do something about climate change is to destroy our economy.
    That energy companies are telling the truth.

    • meursault1942 says:

      Slacktivist had a great post laying out the full scope of the climate conspiracy conservatives believe in. If we are to take them at their word, then it encompasses not just nearly every scientist from every disciple, but also business, the military, entire nations, multi-nation organizations, NGOs, and, well, pretty much everybody:

      The tentacles of this vast conspiracy reach into every corner of life — academia, government, religion, commerce. If that were not true — if all of these many agents were not in on it — then the conspiracy could not have endured so long without being exposed and renounced by now.
      Without the full cooperation and participation of all of these actors in all of these groups the conspiracy could not exist as we know it does. It cannot merely be the work of a few bad apples or a few renegades. It’s all or nothing.
      That makes sense if you think about it. A conspiracy promoting lies about something as vast, global and pervasive as the climate would have to be as vast, global and pervasive as the climate itself.

      As he says, the conspiracy necessarily must be this vast, or else it would never work. So conservatives are obliged to believe all of it.

      It must be such a sad life to be a conservative–you have to spend every waking moment being angry, fearful, and paranoid, usually about stuff that doesn’t even exist. I fail to understand the appeal of such a life, but evidently, it’s the life they want.

      • It’s true one would have to believe in a ridiculously large global conspiracy to deny the evidence of man made climate change, but I believe this list is meant to be more than a bit hyperbolic. Everyone who buys into a conspiracy or does not question a conspiracy does not a priori have to be in on the conspiracy.

      • meursault1942 says:

        Geez, Cluster sure got angry at my observation that conservatives are angry, fearful, and paranoid. But unfortunately, he’s too afraid to actually debate the notion, choosing instead to hide out in his bubble and ascribe various false notions to me, then insist that it doesn’t even matter what I actually believe because those false notions are what I really believe–a funny tactic from somebody whose favorite whine is that liberals “don’t understand” or have a “false view” of conservatives. Looks like he got projection lessons from CSL.

        That anger, fear, and paranoia he showcased did a great job disproving the notion that conservatives are angry, fearful, and paranoid. But I understand his quandary. He did make a legit effort with APN to break free from the bubble. But he quickly found that he just couldn’t hack it, so now he’s desperate to get back in–and never leave–the bubble again. It’s a tough position to be in for somebody who relishes conflict.

        Oh, and the bonus fun was Noonan citing a Rasmussen poll as proof that conservatives are correct. Rasmussen! He may as well cite Unskewed Polls–an outfit that doubles as the perfect symbol of conservatives’ losing standoff against reality.

      • mitchethekid says:

        Gotta admire their tenacity. Their absolute refusal to even recognize reality. How many more examples of the disdain the public has for them and the outrageous behavior some of the elected Tea Party types engage in until they admit to their bullshit. Yeah right, every single conservative across America is correct. As if insisting it’s true can actually shape shift reality. It’s pathetic.

      • I see Cluster is busy removing comments at B4V, eradicating the ones that might hurt his feelings. And he removed a comment in which I described to Noonan how his “legislating from the bench” complaints were hypocritical. Unlike Cluster, I did not resort to name-calling. Rather, I called him out for it, and it can’t stand that.

      • mitchethekid says:

        They’re impervious. Pointing out the obvious only emboldens them. It’s like they are made of anti-matter or something. A universe the total opposite of the one we live in.

      • 02casper says:

        “I see Cluster is busy removing comments at B4V, eradicating the ones that might hurt his feelings”

        It’s more likely CSL as the deletions happened right after she commented on another thread.

      • The deletions are likely by Cluster. Remember, he has a proven track record of wanton censorship when he’s losing a debate, which is pretty much every time he opens his yap. He’s not only a dishonest idiot, but a coward as well. How’s that for a personal attack, Cluster?

  2. 02casper says:

    Meanwhile, CSL goes off the deep end once again.

    • meursault1942 says:

      Yeah–good job winding her up, Watson. All you have to do is get her talking, and she utterly obliterates herself. It’s hilarious.

      By the way, here’s my post over there that is surely bound for deletion:

      “Oh, I read it. And I found it full of references to “liberal access” and nothing about keeping that access limited to people who are legally qualified to vote.”

      You probably didn’t find anything about BENGHAZIIIIIIIIII!!!!!1111! either–that judge must’ve been in on it!

      But what you did find was a simple assessment of facts–facts that for all your screeching, wailing, screaming, gnashing of teeth, and stamping of feet, you have been unable to avoid:

      1) Voter fraud is a false problem, one whipped up by conservatives in part to explain the ass-kicking they absorbed in 2012 (when they had put so much effort into unskewing the polls and everything!) and in part to justify their efforts to prevent so many of those people from voting, lest conservatives have to endure another electoral ass-kicking.

      2) Even if the problem of voter fraud existed–and it doesn’t–the proposed voter ID law wouldn’t even address that problem. So you combat a lie with another lie. A fake solution to a fake problem: Conservatism!

      PS: This exact same thing–conservatives whining about “voter fraud,” being unable to find any, and having their voter suppression laws struck down–has happened in several other states. Iowa was the most recent, as Republicans even wasted taxpayer money to come up with the obvious–and embarrassing–conclusion:

      Nearly two years and $250,000 later, Schultz said that 238 total cases of suspected election misconduct were investigated. Investigators “found evidence of election misconduct in 117 cases that cancelled out the votes of legitimate Iowa voters,” he notes, and 17 more cases are still being investigated. One of those cases resulted in a not-guilty verdict and four cases were dismissed. Combined, that means at most 134 instances of fraudulent voting were found in Iowa over several elections, compared with 1,589,951 votes cast in the 2012 general elections alone. That means, at most, the investigation found a 0.008427933% rate of voter fraud.

      There was not a single identified case of impersonation fraud at the polls — people showing up and pretending to be another voter — meaning that Schultz’s own investigation found no cases at all that would have been prevented with his proposed voter identification law.

      My challenge still stands: Find a conservative position that isn’t based on a lie. So far, nobody’s been able to do so. Maybe one of can step up? If you’re not afraid of reality, that is (though I’m pretty sure you are).

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