Tweet Of The 2010

Posted: June 13, 2014 by watsonthethird in Current Events, Politics, Tweet Of The Day
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Yeah, that’s John McCain in 2010, gloating about Iraq. An, um, interesting contrast from what he’s saying today.

Can you imagine McCain and Palin in office? Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. Once upon a time, I had respect for Senator McCain. That changed in 2008, when he revealed himself to have no principles at all other than a burning desire to be president of the United States. The longer his career goes on, the more he appears to be an American tragedy rather than a hero. The only thing he’s really good at any longer is getting himself on TV, which is richly ironic considering he once accused then Senator Obama of being nothing but a mega-celebrity in a 2008 campaign ad.

Why on earth does anyone give this man any credibility?

Joe Conason has a spot-on article at National Memo today. It’s worth quoting the entire thing, but just go read it. Aside from McCain and company’s faulty memory — “[W]hen Republican senators leap up and start barking about Obama’s refusal to leave troops on the ground, they either don’t remember what actually happened or – sadly but more likely – hope to deceive this country’s amnesia-addled voters” — Conason rightly reminds readers just how craven these people are.

Neither McCain nor any of the other trash-talking statesmen on the Republican side has much useful advice to offer the president. They say we shouldn’t have pulled our troops out, but they sure don’t want to send them back in. Drop some bombs on the jihadist camps, they suggest – knowing very well that won’t do much to clean up this horrific mess.

Still they insist on talking about Iraq, loudly and constantly, as if someone else created the mess and they have the answers. They need to be reminded just as loudly that it is their mess and they still have no idea what to do.

Americans should try to remember how this happened – even if the disgraced figures who promoted the invasion of Iraq will never accept responsibility for squandering trillions of American dollars, thousands of American lives, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives for what could most charitably be called a massive, irreparable blunder. Never mind the nonsense about the weapons of mass destruction – which nobody has yet found there, by the way. Absolutely none of the predictions about Iraq by the neocons in and around the Bush administration proved accurate. None of their strategies provided real development or security. And all of their grand schemes for regional stability and democracy simply crumbled.

Instead of serving as a sturdy bulwark against extremism, the Shia-dominated government of Iraq immediately allied itself with the neighboring mullah regime in Iran. The curse of sectarian warfare, famously dismissed by William Kristol as a chimera, has exploded into a continuous catastrophic reality that threatens regional security and may create a fresh haven for terrorism.

It is hard not to wonder why anyone still listens to McCain, Kristol, and company — especially on this grave issue. But if they insist on serving up blame, let them step up first to accept their overwhelming share.

  1. Marner says:

    I’ll add Chris Hayes’ segment on McCain.

  2. rustybrown2012 says:

    The chicken hawks are desperately trying to pretend they didn’t shit the bed with this one. It’s now obvious to everybody that all of the neocon conservatives (epitomized by the bfv crowd) were completely wrong about Iraq while liberals such as myself were completely right; you can’t spin that basic fact. Full stop. End of story.

    Maybe they should listen the next time adults tell them to not play with matches.

    • mitchethekid says:

      Have they admitted it to themselves yet? Has Mcain responded when his words were played back for him?

      • When he makes one of his frequent news show appearance, wouldn’t it be nice if they would actually ask him about that stuff?

        Let’s also remember Admiral Shinseki’s statements prior to the Iraq war, in which he predicted that “something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers” would be needed in Iraq, for which he was roundly criticized by the so-called experts.

        “Something on the order of several hundred thousand soldiers.”
        –Gen. Eric Shinseki, on how many troops would be needed in Iraq, testifying before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Feb. 25, 2003

        “We can say with reasonable confidence that the notion of hundreds of thousands of American troops is way off the mark.”
        –Paul Wolfowitz, Feb. 27, 2003

        “The idea that it would take several hundred thousand US forces I think is far off the mark.”
        — Donald Rumsfeld, Feb. 28, 2003

        “We don’t have enough troops. We don’t control the terrain.”
        –Colin Powell, to George W. Bush and Tony Blair, Nov. 12, 2004

        “In my weeks in Iraq, I did not meet a single military officer who felt, privately, that we had enough troops.”
        –Coalition Provisional Authority adviser Larry Diamond, in a memo to Condoleezza Rice, April 26, 2004

      • rustybrown2012 says:

        Have they admitted it to themselves? Some undoubtedly have. Most know deep down they fucked up, and are just spinning as pols and partisans do in situations like this. Others, like Cluster, are too dense and entrenched in their ideology to admit they were wrong. Still others, like Hillary Clinton, plainly admit their mistake – kind of like you would expect an adult and leader to do.

        Hey, do you think liberals in this country will get a new found respect for being correct in predicting what turned out to be the biggest policy blunder in the last few decades? Nah, me neither. After all, if we had been running the show, the Middle East would be more stable, hundreds of thousands dead would still be alive, and we would have trillions of dollars to bolster our own economy. No big deal, right?

  3. rustybrown2012 says:

    Cluster says:

    I am not sure what he (Rusty) is insisting that he was right about. To leave Saddam in power? Are we to believe that a Saddam led Iraq would be stable? Would the rape rooms have disappeared? Dissenters welcome? The Kurds safe?

    Yes, asshole, I was right about all of those and more. A Saddam led Iraq was much more stable than anything we’ve seen in Iraq since the bungled invasion; this is inarguable. Do you disagree? Then point me to the post invasion period when Iraq was more stable. Can’t? That’s right, because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

    As for the rest of it, is it America’s job to stop rape from happening around the globe? Is it America’s job to insure dissenters are welcome in all Middle Eastern dictatorships? Is it America’s job to insure that all Kurdish people are free from prosecution regardless of the lives and cost to us? Of course not, idiot. And not for nothing, none of these hindsight excuses were the pretext for this illegal war.

  4. rustybrown2012 says:

    Cluster says:

    How about what “his” (Rusty’s, Obamas) withdrawal policies have done to Iraq?

    Again, dipshit, it wasn’t “our” withdrawal policies. It was the unilateral U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement signed by President Bush that instructed our withdrawal. Have a problem with that? Take it up with your hero, GWB. Again, slow learner, it wasn’t the withdrawal that was the real problem here, it was the invasion. That’s on YOU.

    For the record, I have absolutely nothing in common with GMB aside from the fact that we’re carbon-based life forms.

  5. rustybrown2012 says:

    But by all means, lets wipe the slate and start clean. Let’s elucidate our positions, and get our respective messages out to the voters. For my part, I think we should stay out of Iraq and get the fuck out of Afghanistan. The bfv brain trust seems to want more U.S. involvement in both conflicts. Let’s leave it to the electorate, and in the spirit of comity, I’ll even suggest some GOP campaign slogans:
    “We Can Change The Middle East…..This Time!”
    “One More Time, For Cheney!”
    “Once Bitten, Twice Victory!”
    “4,500 Dead, 6 Trillion Down, And We’re Just Getting’ Started!”

  6. rustybrown2012 says:

    Cluster peeks out from beneath Ama’s petticoat:

    Saddam’s Iraq was a remarkably stable country. That is if you ignore the invasion of Kuwait, the gas attack on the Kurds, the deaths of dissenters, the attempted assassination of a US President, and the constant saber rattling.

    Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about recent history, Iraq as it existed prior to Bush’s invasion in 2003, dumbass. You know, with sanctions in place, weapons inspectors on the ground, eyes of the world on an increasingly cowed and isolated Saddam. If you want to go back decades before that then yeah, Saddam was a pretty bad boy. But it’s not like his atrocities bothered the neocons who eventually fucked everything up. Rumsfeld was delighted to shake Saddam’s hand and pledge his support for Iraq while many of the atrocities you list were occurring. More Republican good judgement.

    No, Sparky, the history books will correctly record that Iraq was a weakened, secular state that actually resisted radical Islamist forces like Al Qaeda (remember them, the one’s who actually attacked us on 911?) before Bush’s invasion, has been a clusterfuck since, and will probably devolve into a hotbed for terrorists and increasing sectarian violence. The blame will be correctly laid at the feet of those that caused this situation: Bush, his Republican neocon handlers, and rubes such as yourself.

  7. rustybrown2012 says:

    Oh, and to any conservatives reading this, please marshal your efforts and get your message out there to the electorate: “More U.S. involvement in the Middle East!” – it’s wise policy and sure to be winner for you. Feel free to use the slogans I’ve provided above.

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