Weekly B4V Sucks Thread

Posted: July 25, 2014 by Marner in Open Thread
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I’m actually on time this week.

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  1. mitchethekid says:

    Noonan blames “the left” for the murder in NY by the choke hold cop. Someone should choke hold him.

  2. mitchethekid says:

    “Who would have expected to see the BLM—-the Bureau of LAND MANAGEMENT, of all things—–to show up armed to the teeth, with snipers in ghillie suits stationed on the high ground, to enforce a civil ruling? It was bizarre, it was surreal, and to many of us it was a harbinger of the future we can expect when we look at weapons pointed at women and children with the echoes of the Obama promise of a “civilian security force as well armed and funded as the military” still fresh in our minds.”

    From the ever honest Ama. Guess she got the BLM and the Bundy supporters mixed up.

    • rustybrown2012 says:

      That’s not the only thing she lies about in that quote. Obama did not call for a “civilian security force as well armed and funded as the military”. His quote was: “We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded (as the military)”, and in context he was clearly referring to The Peace Corps, AmeriCorps, and other benign civilian volunteer groups working for non-violent patriotic aid and security. There was no mention of “arming” the groups; that was a blatant lie ginned up by the right wing noise machine for rubes like bfv. This was debunked years ago, but it still gets traction with the least intelligent and most dishonest of the conservative mouth-breathers.

      http://www.factcheck.org/2008/11/obamas-national-security-force/

      • Damn, I’m dumbfounded that she would lie–er, make such a mistake–since she’s such a stickler for accuracy from others.

      • mitchethekid says:

        How can she get away with making statements that are factually incorrect? I mean she pounces like a moray if someone else does the same. Last yr she insisted that Trayvon Martin drug Zimmerman out of his car and then got indignant when challenged.

      • rustybrown2012 says:

        Yeah, she’s the smart one. BTW, the militarization of our domestic police force is a terrible thing and will likely have bad unintended consequences in the future, but that trend was ushered in by the Bush administration. It was a byproduct of their bedwetting, Chicken Little response to 911, and it’s no accident that it also enriches their cronies in the military industrial complex.

        I don’t know what Obama has done to mitigate the situation; my guess is nothing, since that type of precedent is awfully hard to reverse. Imagine what the wing nuts would say if Obama tried to take the tanks away from places like Sisterfuck, Arkansas.

      • meursault1942 says:

        On the one hand, it’s hilarious that she’s still–still!–clinging to that lie (which she knows is a lie). How pathetic and deluded do you have to be to still do that?

        But on the other hand, it’s crappy because, well, this is why we can’t have nice things. We’re forever stuck having to deal with paranoid delusions of the right wing. Imagine what we could accomplish if we didn’t have to waste so much time and energy on the flights of fancy of the demented.

      • mitchethekid says:

        Remember the Twilight Zone episode where the neighborhood residents became suspicious of each other and eventually went to battle?. All instigated by some aliens because it was easier for the aliens to have them turn on each other than the other way around. Maybe we should be as smart.

  3. It’s predicted to be only 109 degrees in Cluster’s backyard today. Given the recent temperatures of 115 or so, this cooling trend must be proof that global warming is a hoax.

  4. meursault1942 says:

    Here’s a good read: Mendacious conservative hypocrisy: Broadband edition

    As we’re all well aware, U.S. telecom is pretty lousy. We pay much higher prices for much slower service than the rest of the developed world. (Or, as conservatives no doubt call it, “The finest telecom system in the world.” Because ‘Murrican ‘Ceptionalism.) The telecom providers rather like it that way; actual users do not. So some towns started creating their own municipal broadband, which of course provides superior service at a much lower cost. Many towns even voted to raise their own taxes to fund such projects.

    Well, telecoms sure got pissed at that, so they reached into their pockets and pulled out the GOPers they store there. In many states, said GOPers let their telecom owners literally write legislation banning municipal broadband. Because something something free market competition, you see. And just to make sure they completely squash the threat of municipal broadband doing what telecom companies could do but deliberately choose not to do–i.e. offer better service at lower rates–telecom companies got the federal-level GOPers they own to slip a provision into the Financial Services and General Government Appropriations Act barring the FCC from stepping in on behalf of communities wanting to create their own broadband networks.

    Just something to keep in mind about conservatives; When they give these “heartfealt” paeans to the sanctity of the free market, they are lying. No big surprise–my challenge of finding a conservative position that isn’t based on lies continues to go unmet.

  5. rustybrown2012 says:

    Tired is playing with his feces again:

    How can we rely on the Peace Corps, (obame would say it as “Peace Corpse”), AmeriCorps (again Ameri-corpse) and other civilian volunteer groups to “protect our national security” instead of our military and be just as strong as our military without arming them?

    OK, first, Obama didn’t say “instead of our military”, he’s clearly talking about civilian groups working in addition to our military. Can these people write a single post without lying?

    Second, there are many paths to security that don’t involve weapons. Any fucking idiot knows this. Building relations, stabilizing conflicts through mediation, giving aid and education to desperate populations are just a few of the many things volunteer citizen groups can do to promote stability, groups exactly like the ones Obama named in the preceding sentence. In fact, I’d bet most foreign policy experts would rank these things as far more important for stability in the long run than more weaponry.

    Finally, Obamas entire quote in full context (linked to above) speaks for itself. You have to be a severely retarded troll to divine nefarious motives in that one sentence.

    Well, that was easy. Tired, you expose yourself as a bigger dipshit with each and every post.

    • rustybrown2012 says:

      Tired continues to play with his feces:

      First, obame did not say “in addition to our military”. He clearly stated that “we can’t rely on our military to protect our national security” period. We must rely on another organization(s).

      I never claimed Obama specifically said: “in addition to our military”, what I said was: “he’s clearly talking about civilian groups working in addition to our military”. That’s my interpretation of his words. That’s also any sane person’s interpretation of his words. Incredibly, you seem to be sticking to your original misquote and insisting Obama meant these groups should be securing us “instead of” the military. I guess this would imply disbanding the military or something, is that right? Take your hand out of your ass and tell us how that works, idiot.

      Also, Obama didn’t say: “we can’t rely on our military to protect our national security”, as you state. What he said was: “We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.” You accuse me of lying and being mealy-mouthed, but that’s the second time you’ve misquoted the speech in question.

      His full quote in context is below, and shows just how batshit your interpretation is. I dare you to reprint in in full at bfv. You won’t, because your entire argument rests on cutting a single sentence out of context and slathering a totalitarian interpretation on top of it. Happily, everybody can see the truth right here at this site.

      Tired again:

      Progressive drone: “Can these people write a single post without lying?” Now, repeating what obame said, verbatim, is lying?

      That’s rich considering that between you and Ama you’ve misquoted Obamas words three times, while I’ve accurately presented exactly what he said. I think you can also find his speech on Youtube to confirm this.

      Are you a masochist? Do you enjoy me publicly exposing you as a moron time and time again?

      Obama:

      [As] president I will expand AmeriCorps to 250,000 slots [from 75,000] and make that increased service a vehicle to meet national goals, like providing health care and education, saving our planet and restoring our standing in the world, so that citizens see their effort connected to a common purpose.

      People of all ages, stations and skills will be asked to serve. Because when it comes to the challenges we face, the American people are not the problem – they are the answer. So we are going to send more college graduates to teach and mentor our young people. We’ll call on Americans to join an energy corps, to conduct renewable energy and environmental clean-up projects in their neighborhoods all across the country.

      We will enlist our veterans to find jobs and support for other vets, and to be there for our military families. And we’re going to grow our Foreign Service, open consulates that have been shuttered and double the size of the Peace Corps by 2011 to renew our diplomacy. We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we’ve set.

      We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded. We need to use technology to connect people to service. We’ll expand USA Freedom Corps to create online networks where American can browse opportunities to volunteer. You’ll be able to search by category, time commitment and skill sets. You’ll be able to rate service opportunities, build service networks, and create your own service pages to track your hours and activities.

      This will empower more Americans to craft their own service agenda and make their own change from the bottom up.

  6. Cluster:

    It is impossible to have a coherent debate with any progressive simply because we are grounded in reality and they are not. We hold ourselves accountable, they do not. We have respect for the truth, they do not, and we subscribe to independent critical thinking through the issues, and of course they do not.

    It’s hard to ridicule a self-serving screed like this which does such a fine job of ridiculing itself (the whole thing reads like a rote, sub-par high school debate position), but this passage is particularly cringe worthy coming just hours after we’ve debunked more lies and distortions coming from their very site.

    Self-awareness is not a strong suit with this crowd!

    • Yeah, I practically fell out of my chair laughing at that one.

      But regarding the New York Times piece he cited about wealth distribution, I’d like to make a few points here, since B4V won’t allow them to be made there.

      Cluster said:

      The housing crisis of 2007/2008 is now 7 years behind us, following a “summer of recovery” as announced by Obama in 2010, following the myriad of govt programs such as HARP, HAMP, etc. designed to aid folks with their homes and mortgages, and following the extension upon extension of welfare and unemployment allowed to folks still looking for work. YET STILL, average incomes and labor participation rates are falling, and the GDP actually shrank in the first quarter.

      No, you didn’t look very deeply at this, Cluster. The short New York Times article you cited is based on a study from Stanford University. The Times article includes a link.

      If you look at Figure 1, it shows the change in wealth since 1984 for various percentiles of wealth distribution. You will see that the wealth of all percentiles dropped dramatically from 2007 to 2009, as a consequence of the financial crisis. But you’ll also notice that starting in 2009, the drop in wealth for the 25th percentile leveled off, and it has actually increased since 2011. For the median percentile, the results are similar: The drop stopped in 2011 and has either leveled off or increased slightly.

      Now, given that you cite President Obama’s 2010 “summer of recovery” for these results, then surely you must accept that his policies have actually improved the lot of Americans at the median percentile or below, starting in the very next year.

      And by the way, it’s good to see you citing the New York Times as a credible source and relying on this country’s great universities for your data. Hopefully, you will no longer claim the Times can’t be trusted, and you will stop demonizing American educational institutions. Otherwise, one might be tempted to call you a hypocrite.

  7. rustybrown2012 says:

    Clusters’s words of wisdom:

    Why are these children here?
    Well in my opinion, it’s because they have pretty shitty parents at home, and a society full of men who are selfish, cowardly, and indifferent to the plight of their women and children. These children did not “decide” to make a long, harrowing journey to an unfamiliar country. This was their parents decision. Parents who have abdicated their responsibility to their children and their country.

    I despise men like this. Men need to step up and father their children here and abroad, and take responsibility for their actions. If you are not prepared to raise a child then do the world a favor, and don’t have any children. Is that too difficult?

    Even Ama felt the need to step in and chide him on this one, although his moral failures and misunderstandings of global dynamics are so thorough it really beggars a response. Classic Cluster – how is it any of you once called this stupid slimebag a friend? There’s no benefit in breaking bread with someone who’s this far off of the spectrum of logical and ethical reasoning; Cluster is a priori a reprehensible person. Selah.

    • mitchethekid says:

      Did he actually say that?? Those children have fled the most murderous country in this hemisphere. Their parents intentionally sent them away to protect them.

      • rustybrown2012 says:

        He not only said that, he doubled down. When Ama quite rightly explained the severe circumstances these people are suffering and suggested perhaps Cluster should learn a bit more about the world and, you know, think things through a bit, responded:

        I don’t need a lessen in anything. If good people allow their government to be corrupt and allow drug cartels to run the show, then they get country they deserve. They knew this before they had kids, it’s not a new phenomena or sudden act of war. That’s just the brutal truth. It’s not that I am completely unsympathetic to their plight, but it’s been going on a long time.

        So, according to Cluster, the conditions of the hellhole you’re born into are your fault because you’ve “allowed” it. Cluster is constantly whining about being unfairly characterized as heartless, and yet cannot fathom that there are people in this world subjected to the most horrible acts of cruelty that are completely beyond their control. Cluster not only lacks a morsel of empathy for these people, he says he despises them. By his logic, there never have been any victims of state sponsored atrocities because the victims themselves are always responsible for their plight. If only more of them would act like Charles Bronson or Clint Eastwood, evil would cease to exist. Shame on the Jews for allowing Hitler to “run the show”; they “got the country they deserved”. Shame on the millions of victims of early 20th century Russia for allowing Stalin to “run the show”; they “got the country they deserved”.

        Also by his logic, he himself is directly responsible for Obama’s agenda, the liberal media, and all of the progressive ills he regularly bitches about in this country because he’s “allowing” it. Despicable Douchbag.

      • mitchethekid says:

        Did you read Noonan’s ode to Joe McCarthy? He was defending him! Oh poor misunderstood Joe. I don’t know who is more delusional and disgusting, Noonan or McCarthy himself. Mark must think that whole senate hearing was fabricated. What a dick.

      • rustybrown2012 says:

        Yeah, I read that. Not only do they like the modern asshole politicians, they like the vintage asshole politicians too!

      • mitchethekid says:

        Check this out. Particularly the “scorn for being educated” part. http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/07/25/why-am-i-moving-left/

      • meursault1942 says:

        “So, according to Cluster, the conditions of the hellhole you’re born into are your fault because you’ve “allowed” it.”

        Well, that’s essentially the conservative position on poverty: There’s no such thing as being born into poverty, merely the choice to be poor because every single poor person in America can become rich through the awesome power of Murrican Ceptionalism and the fact that poor people have not become rich only serves as evidence that they prefer to be poor and be “moochers” and yadda yadda yadda.

  8. rustybrown2012 says:

    Pretty good. I wish he would denounce his conservatism and admit that he’s a liberal.

    • mitchethekid says:

      Well to me, he is what I call a traditional conservative. A sane one. An intellectual one. One that is capable of critical thinking. If some of those traits are “liberal” then so be it. He explained himself very well in his book The Conservative Soul. He was also great friends with Christopher Hitchens, who I miss very much. You might find this interesting as well. http://thedisbrimstonedailypitchfork.wordpress.com/

  9. Well, Spook becomes more unhinged:

    Where your theory falls apart, Fred, is that a great many of we Conservatives will gladly lay down our lives to prevent our descendants from having to live under your definition of America. I don’t think you can tell us with a straight face that Progressives will do the same. You might get a few radical elements to fight, like the NBP, but you Leftists are essentially a bunch of pussies, and not very bright pussies at that.

    So that’s what it really boils down to: We’ll take what we want by force, and not worry about it, because leftists are a bunch of pussies.

    • rustybrown2012 says:

      Spook is a deranged man, but probably harmless. Anybody who constantly talks tough like that is full of shit, and a coward at heart. He’d be dangerous if he wasn’t so busy farting into his sofa cushions.

    • meursault1942 says:

      I don’t know that that counts as “more” unhinged. He’s been screaming that bullshit for years now. Let’s just say he continues to be unhinged (and quite cowardly).

      I did love that he threw the unstoppable, massive force that is the New Black Panther Party in there, though. It must suck to be so terrified of black people, but it’s probably for the best that he has isolated himself from them.

  10. meursault1942 says:

    OK, I went over to see Spook’s latest meltdown for myself, and it’s pretty standard stuff for him these days–lying, cowardice, “I’ll lay down my life for my derangement,” “tyrannyyyyyyyyy!!!!!” etc. Noonan chimes in with his usual alterna-history (did you know that the only reason leftists fought in WWII was to aid the communists by killing Nazis? It’s totally true! As long as you get to call stuff you completely made up “true”!), but the true champion of hilarity has gotta be CSL, who gave us this gem:

    “I am so sick and tired of these pop-up ads for refinancing houses with the huge banner headlines that say “OBAMA LOWERS INTEREST RATES” or some such nonsense. But I don’t ever see any outrage at this blatant propaganda.”

    Spammy pop-up ads: Now officially part of the insidious Liberal Media Bias Complex.

    • mitchethekid says:

      When talking about shrill, hysterical and over the top conservative blogs, our friends at The Daily Brimstone have posited that B4V might be the winner in the continuous loop of isolation from reality category. I’ve said this before, but I honestly don’t know how they function in the day to day world. The dissonance has to be deafening. As an aside, since Bill Logan aka Neo has been banned from there, he has taken up residence at The Brimstone.I think the are using him to either purposely torment or as an experiment for amusement.

      • rustybrown2012 says:

        Funny story: when I first discovered and started reading bfb, long before I started to post there, I found the opinions so cartoonish that I actually thought it may be a liberal website that was pretending to be conservative in order to make the Bush administration and right wingers look bad. The opinions were so radical, ill-informed and stupid that I thought there’s no way people can be this retrograde and idiotic. I gradually came to understand that yes, they are sincere and the world does contain people who are that debased, but still occasionally would read a particularly hateful or lame-brained post and once again think “wait, this can’t be real!”

        As it stands, bfv is one of my favorite comedy sites on the internet.

      • mitchethekid says:

        Like Dudley Moore said in Arthur “Bathing is a lonely business. Except for fish.”

      • mitchethekid says:

        I’m having a battle (again) with I like to be peed on Bill aka Neo over at the Hells place. Sometimes I can be cagey and coy. Here are some questions I asked. Let me know what you think.

        I’m curious. Let me axe you some quesions Bill. What kind of music was played in your house while you were growing up and what music do you listen to now? If you had to pick, who is or what band is your favorite musical artist today and why?
        What is the last book you read and of all of the ones you have read, which is your favorite? Before you were married, were you any good at picking up girls? If so, how many, what kind of places and to what do you attribute your success to?
        Who is your favorite painter or sculpturer? If you were eating your last meal, and you had an unlimited appetite, what would you eat and by whom would you like it to be prepared by. Please include appetizers, aperitifs, salads, entrees and sides of course; and deserts.
        Which is the last movie you saw and if you had to choose, which is your favorite? Do you have any tattoos? If so, of what when did you get them and how many do you have? Name your favorite car of each decade from 1950 until today and if you owned any of them. Do you have a hobby? If so, what is it and are you any good at it? Who do you admire and why? Lastly, if you could choose any time period; from the past until the future, which would you pick and why. Lets see if you can rise to this challeng

      • 02casper says:

        Mitch,
        I like your questions. Perhaps you should do a thread here using the same questions. I would be interested in everyone else’s answers and would be more than happy to provide my own.

  11. rustybrown2012 says:

    Cluster:

    It’s time to be rebellious and stand up for moral clarity. It is time to say enough is enough. There is nothing wrong with being an extremist and I wear that label as a badge of honor. It’s time to be politically incorrect. It’s time to offend people and shake up the status quo. Who’s in?

    I hate PC as much as anybody, but blaming brutalized and oppressed people for their victimhood, as Cluster does, doesn’t make you a bold truth teller, it makes you a reprehensible asshole. Little bit of a difference.

  12. meursault1942 says:

    Here’s something that will surprise exactly nobody: Mississippi’s Republican governor refused to set up an ACA exchange, refused the Medicaid expansion, and now blames Obama for the resulting increase of uninsured Mississippians. Party of personal responsibility! And they’re not at all deranged liars! How dare you suggest that they would gladly fuck over their citizens just to make an ignorant–and meaningless–political point?

    Lemieux has a good summation of our sad little teabaggers: “Republican politics circa 2014 seems to consist exclusively of pissing in someone else’s punchbowl and then blaming the host for inviting them.”

    • 02casper says:

      Mississippi is the worst state in the Union by most measures (wages, life span, education, etc.) and is the perfect example of what long term conservative policies bring about. So of course it’s Obama’s fault.

  13. rustybrown2012 says:

    It’s a brave new day. I present an example of Cluster’s bold, insightful new approach for speaking truth to power, consequences be damned:

    “Bottom line – there’s not enough dead terrorists.”

    Wow, we should kill terrorists. Now, why didn’t anyone think of that before?

    I look forward to future gems like “Serial killers should be locked up” and “What’s the deal with airline food?” I hope they’re polishing the Nobel Prize.

  14. rustybrown2012 says:

    Lemieux has a good summation of our sad little teabaggers: “Republican politics circa 2014 seems to consist exclusively of pissing in someone else’s punchbowl and then blaming the host for inviting them.”

    That’s excellent!

  15. meursault1942 says:

    OK, this is funny: THere’s a bill in Congress to honor Pope Francis. Nothing major, just a “hey, Pope Francis, we think you’re cool” sort of thing. Small problem: The bill is stuck due to GOP opposition:

    Only 19 of the 221 co-sponsors are Republicans. The dearth of GOP members on the measure could be attributable to assertions that the pope is “too liberal,” according to a Republican backer of the legislation.

    The source noted that Francis last year denounced “trickle-down economics.”

    Some Republicans believe the pope is “sounding like [President] Obama. [The pope] talks about equality — he actually used the term ‘trickle-down economics,’ which is politically charged,” the GOP official said.

    I’d love to see Noonan try to square that circle. His logic would be even more tortured than usual.

    In the meantime, I’m reminded of the famous quote: “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why they are poor, they call me a communist.”

  16. rustybrown2012 says:

    Noonan gets to the heart of the matter, his post in full:

    “Someone asked why the world is getting so nasty – it is because the decent people of the world aren’t shooting enough of the nasty people. People who have decided not to follow God and his laws will be as nasty as they think the can get away with.”

    I guess just a few questions remain: Who are the decent people? Who are the nasty people? Which god are we talking about? Of all of the gods that continue to exist in our imaginations, their laws are quite different and exclusionary, you know.

    These are large questions, but don’t worry, Noonan has the answers.

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