An ode to John Boehner (from 2013)

Posted: September 25, 2015 by watsonthethird in Current Events, John Boehner, Politics, The Freak Show
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From Noam Scheiber in the New Republic, March 5, 2013 (on the occasion of yet another budget “negotiation”):

I have a confession to 
make: I’m a big fan of John Boehner. One of his very few, it turns out. The White House complains that Boehner’s near-total ignorance of policy makes him impossible to negotiate with, and that it’s pointless to deal with him anyway, since he exerts zero control over his members. Pundits deride him as strategically inept, constantly backing himself into corners from which there’s no obvious escape. Even conservatives have lost their patience at times: Washington Examiner columnist Byron York recently called Boehner’s message on sequestration—the $85 billion in automatic, across-the-board budget cuts that kicked in Friday—”astonishingly bad.”

To which I say: Yes! Boehner is goofy, poorly informed, and frequently incoherent. He often sows confusion among the very people he’s supposed to be leading. But despite this—or perhaps because of it—he has been remarkably effective at saving the Republican Party from complete self-destruction. Through heroic improvisation, he’s avoided the global economic apocalypse House Republicans are so intent on provoking.

Under the circumstances, Boehner has, in fact, been a raging success. I hesitate to call him “sophisticated” because that would imply a level of self-awareness and reflection I’m not sure he’s capable of. But the man’s instincts are damn-near impeccable.

  1. 02casper says:

    It’s taken a couple of days to process Boehner’s resignation. As bad of a speaker as he was, I doubt that anyone could have done much better under the circumstances. The tea party people are incapable of compromise which is what politics is all about. I doubt that whoever replaces him will do any better unless he or she is willing to throw in with the Democrats and actually try to govern.

  2. Gotta admitted I was amused by Mark Noonan’s comment, “I have not seen any evidence that Ms. Fiorina is a habitual liar.”

    • meursault1942 says:

      Well, Mark also thinks that he is not a habitual liar. Not surprising.

      • mitchethekid says:

        Now he is insisting that the edited videos are in fact unedited. Conformation bias much Mark? It’s funny that these pro-life fanatics are horrified by organ donations to keep others alive. But when you think that life begins at conception and ends at birth, will then it makes sense. They probably also think that Joseph Mengele runs PP.

  3. mitchethekid says:

    And Jay saying she lost a child when in fact it was a step child. The biological mother of whom deeply resents Fiorina implications. They also speak about the so called abortion video as if it were fact. It’s not and the head of the organization who made the film is losing in court.

  4. meursault1942 says:

    Missouri finds no evidence of Planned Parenthood mishandling fetal tissue. Will this stop conservatives from lying their asses off about it? HAHAHAHA! Of course not! Conservatism is made out of lies–eliminating the lies means eliminating conservatism.

  5. meursault1942 says:

    A couple more things on Planned Parenthood (this will take two separate posts because of the links). First, there’s the ongoing calamitous failure that is Carly Fiorina. So she made conservatives tumescent by lying about Planned Parenthood. That’s fairly unremarkable–conservatives lie about Planned Parenthood every time they speak about it, so telling them the lies they want to hear is an easy way to turn them on.

    However, in the aftermath, she’s really showing the chops that made her one of the worst CEOs of recent history: She’s doubling down on the lie and continuously making things worse. Her initial lie was about what was on the (doctored, bullshit) tapes. Couldn’t even get that right. But instead of doing the standard mealy-mouthed “I may have misspoken,” she claimed that no, the tapes totally did show that non-existent thing she said was on there. Then, after the fact, another tape came out, and she claimed that was the one she was talking about.

    Except that tape doesn’t line up with her narrative, either.

    And here’s where it gets even worse: That tape doesn’t even show an abortion. It shows a pre-viability delivery, which the hack group that released the tape is trying to claim is an abortion (I’ll go ahead and let that irony sink in, because man, what a doozy).

    That tape was also filmed illegally, but since when does that matter to conservatives? Hell, they’re still trying to cheer Fiorina on, using arguments ranging from “fake but accurate” to “just because the tape doesn’t show what she says it shows doesn’t mean the tape doesn’t show what she says it shows.”

    Next post: The bigger picture.

    • meursault1942 says:

      OK, so Fiorina is going from bad to worse–just like she did as CEO! Which is why we must have her run the country like a business! Ha ha ha, that’s not utterly stupid at all!–and conservatives love her for it. They’re deranged with hatred, and they’re going full Quixote on this one.

      But here’s the thing: Because they’re so afraid of the real world, they don’t talk to anybody in it; they only talk to each other. And because they all hate Planned Parenthood, they think the country hates Planned Parenthood.

      The country does not hate Planned Parenthood. In fact, the country likes Planned Parenthood quite a bit:

      But here’s another way in which the Republican mission to destroy one of the country’s largest providers of women’s health care is divorced from reality: It appears completely blind to evidence that Americans — the same Americans on whom the Republican party relies as voters — really, really love Planned Parenthood.

      Americans love Planned Parenthood so much that in an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll released yesterday, 61 percent of people polled said that they opposed cutting funds to the organization. But more notably, Planned Parenthood again emerged as the entity with the highest favorability ratings in the poll, with 47 percent of respondents saying they feel positively about it, more than felt good about either political party or any of the presidential candidates.

      Planned Parenthood is more popular than any politician, but here’s something interesting: Politicians who support Planned Parenthood are much more popular than politicians who hate it. You know who’s at the way bottom of the pack? Congressional Republicans. As much as the American people like and support Planned Parenthood, they really dislike Congressional Republicans.

      So conservatives may have hit their “please proceed, Governor” moment early. Every single thing they’ve said to attack Planned Parenthood is a lie. The institution they’re attacking is much, much more well liked than they are. A group of very unpopular people are hurling deranged hatred and pitiful lies at a popular health care provider. This, those unpopular people have convinced themselves, is the path to victory.

      Please proceed, conservatives.

      • 02casper says:

        Planned Parenthood isn’t going away and that will piss off conservatives that much more. It’s also not going to help conservative’s image that they are trying to defund it.
        Meanwhile it looks like Jay is okay with Fiorina’s outright lies. At least a couple of the other bloggers aren’t accepting them.

  6. Another Carly Classic: “Somebody once asked me, ‘What’s the difference between business and politics?’ And here’s the difference: Politics is a fact-free zone. People just say things.”

    Yes. People like you.

  7. how many days or hours will it be before mark claims the catholic church can;’t be liberal because the pope met with Kim davis? It is so funny because i seriosully who gives a dam about her

  8. 02casper says:

    Apparently cluster has been learning history from Mark.

    “The USA is presently in more danger than at any other time in it’s history and all you need to know about our political opponents is that they still consider Republicans to be more of a threat than any current external force.”

    More danger than The Civil War? More danger than WW II? More danger than the cold war? I think not.
    Meanwhile, some of the Republicans are willing to tank the economy to keep women from having access to health care.

    • mitchethekid says:

      It’s now a matter of time until Bob Eisenhower (huh?) gets banned for contradicting the latest mocking screed over at b4v.

      • rustybrown2014 says:

        You’re right. Hilarious watching Ama shove her foot in her mouth again in response to my post about science. Pro tip: if you don’t know what a theory is in relation to science, it’s time to shut the fuck up and listen to someone who does.

  9. mitchethekid says:

    The conversation now is making a case for intelligent design. I think “Bob” is an interloper. A plant. A skilled performance artist.

    • rustybrown2014 says:

      I think you’re right. I’ve given Bob the chance a few times to come over here and he’s always ignored it. He’s some sort of a gadfly; I think he knows they’re all full of shit.

      Meanwhile, I’m speechless that Ama declares Darwin “was pretty smart but his conclusions are not really science”. I guess it takes a lunatic rancher to discover that the father of the most profound scientific theory in the history of biology was not really practicing science. This comes as news to the rest of the world’s population. Stop the presses.

      • mitchethekid says:

        And Noonan stated with complete confidence that thermometers are lying and the ice caps aren’t melting. I have never seen a group of people in such complete and utter denial. It’s like a cult of mental pathology. Each year the planet has gotten warmer, and it’s not enough for the B4V’ers to accept that human activity is the cause, they deny that it is even happening at all! And then they say if it is, there is nothing we can do about it. I guess we should tell that to China and the big companies who have pledged support for efforts to stop it. And big banks as well.

  10. Noonan sums up his global warming thoughts: “Some times it appears that the AGW argument boils down to ‘sky god grow angry if we dig up underworld god’.”

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